Time For The Blue Jays To Move Up

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The Blue Jays are looking for a closer. They also could use another bat and definitely need a starting pitcher to function as an anchor for the young starting rotation.

Let’s take a look at what they could and should do.


With the top tier closer off the market as Jonathan Papelbon signed with the Phillies and the Blue Jays reluctant to spend that amount of money on a short-reliever anyway, they have to look at the other options; these options might not be as splashy as the Papelbon signing, but they would fit into the Blue Jays budget and serve their purpose in the regular season.

The names of a lower tier/cheaper variety include the affordable, warted veterans Brad Lidge, Jonathan Broxton, Matt Capps and Joe Nathan.

Then there’s Heath Bell, who’s not young (34) and won’t demand as much as a Papelbon, Ryan Madson or Francisco Rodriguez.

The Blue Jays could wait and see if the market crashes on Madson or K-Rod; or they could try and make a trade for Joakim Soria, Huston Street or Carlos Marmol.

The prices for Soria and Marmol are likely to be exorbitant; I’d steer clear of Bell, Madson, Broxton, Capps and Street—they don’t fit for the Blue Jays.

That leaves Nathan and Lidge.

Lidge has had his highs and lows in the post-season; his confidence is hair-trigger and his injury history concerning; he’d be cheap and might be very, very good or very, very bad.

Nathan pitched well once he regained the job as stopper from Capps and in his second year back from Tommy John surgery, he’s a good gamble to regain his form at a highly affordable price.

What I would do: Sign Joe Nathan for 2-years, $11 million guaranteed with incentives to push it to $15 million and a mutual option for a 3rd year.

Starting pitcher.

In the summer when it looked like the Cardinals were going to clear salary to keep Albert Pujols, I suggested that the Blue Jays bring back the pitcher they drafted but non-tendered when he got hurt—Chris Carpenter.

Carpenter was signed by the Cardinals, allowed to recover, had his motion torn apart and rebuilt by Dave Duncan and developed into one of the best pitchers in baseball over the past decade.

But Carpenter signed a contract extension with the Cardinals.

What the Blue Jays need is a horse. Someone to eat innings and set an example for the talented youngsters Brandon Morrow, Kyle Drabek, Henderson Alvarez and current ace Ricky Romero.

There are pitchers like this available.

Mark Buehrle is team-oriented; can show the youngsters how to get by when they don’t have their good stuff; and when he’s on, he pitches no-hitters. He’d probably prefer to stay in Chicago (with the White Sox or Cubs); go to the Cardinals (who don’t have room for him barring a trade or three); or stay relatively close to the Mid-West. That shouldn’t dissuade the Blue Jays from pursuing him.

Hiroki Kuroda has wicked stuff and is mean, but it’s hard to see him leaving the West Coast.

Edwin Jackson is represented by Scott Boras and the Blue Jays won’t want to pay him—nor should they.

Roy Oswalt isn’t looking for a long term contract and won’t be interested in the pressure-packed, big city atmospheres of Boston or New York—he’d like to go to Texas or the Mid-West, but maybe he’d also listen to the Blue Jays.

Like Jackson, C.J. Wilson will cost more than they’d like to spend on a starting pitcher.

Javier Vazquez had major success in Canada with the Expos and was one of baseball’s best pitchers over the second half of last season for the Marlins; he has yet to decide whether he’ll pitch in 2012 (I suspect he will) and he’s had bad experiences in the American League overall and the American League East in particular with two hellish stints with the Yankees.

Trade candidates include Bronson Arroyo; Francisco Liriano; Trevor Cahill; Gio Gonzalez; Mike Pelfrey; Brett Myers; Wandy Rodriguez; and Joe Saunders.

All have positives and negatives. Of the group, the ones I’d serious pursue are Arroyo—he’s an innings-eater, is signed for $13 million through 2013, and has guts and experience in the AL East; Cahill—a sinkerballer who pounds the strike zone and has succeeded with a bad Athletics team; or Rodriguez—terrific stuff and an underrated competitor.

What I would do: Explore a trade for Arroyo and go after both Oswalt and Buehrle—see what the asking prices are, who wants to come to Toronto and will be the most reasonable.

A bat.

I would stay away from the massive financial commitment to Prince Fielder; I wouldn’t touch David Ortiz.

If Joey Votto is put on the market, any team would have to try getting him, but he’s going to cost a chunk of the farm system.

Here’s the best strategy: let Kelly Johnson leave; sign Carlos Beltran to play right field; shift Jose Bautista to third base; and move Brett Lawrie to second. When Beltran is the DH, they can play Edwin Encarnacion at third and have Bautista in right.

Beltran’s contract demands are no longer going to be Borased because he and Boras parted ways in the summer; he won’t cost any draft picks because it was inserted into his contract he can’t be offered arbitration by his prior club; and he could DH when his knees aren’t feeling up to playing the outfield—it might be more often than it would normally be due to the artificial turf at the Rogers Center.

He’d be a more athletic, versatile and cheaper alternative to Fielder; and is a quiet leader who has performed in the big city and during pressure-packed moments. The big concern I’d have with Ortiz is that there’s a chance he’s a “Red Sox player” who won’t perform when removed from the venue where he made his name and became the Big Papi character. That “character” is also an issue—while the Red Sox are used to him, his outspokenness might be seen as an intrusion for a new, young club.

What I would do: Sign Beltran for 3-years, $40 million and make the position switches listed above.

The above maneuvers would fill the Blue Jays needs; leave them financial room to add as they need to at mid-season; and put them in a legitimate position to contend for a playoff spot rather than hope that if everything goes right, then maybe they’ll hang around the outskirts while knowing that they had little-to-no chance.

They have the talent now; the Red Sox are vulnerable; the Yankees are aging.

It’s time to move up.


5 thoughts on “Time For The Blue Jays To Move Up

  1. Paul, thanks for tackling the Jays.
    I like the idea of shifting Bautista to third and Lawrie to second; however, according to the Jays websites, (for what that’s worth) Anthopolous has categorically rejected the idea of Lawrie playing anywhere but third (where he does exhibit terrifc range btw).
    I like the idea of getting Buehrle and would definitely settle for vasquez as a cheaper (albeit less successful) innings eater.
    I would love getting Fielder and would gladly ‘overpay’ for him or trading for Votto if possible. As for Beltran, I don’t know if his knees could handle the home turf; if they could I would def sign him for 3/40 million if thats possible (that does seem 5-8 million low though)
    re. closer: i would love soria or someone young and up and coming…otherwise, francisco would be a decent alternative.
    in conclusion, jays have potential—some good players and tons of available money. this is the summer to see what Anthopoulus is really made of.

    1. I don’t understand this ironclad statement that they’re not moving Lawrie to second. He can play the position and if the availability of a bat requires they shift him, what’s the problem? The Mets repeatedly moved Edgardo Alfonzo between second and third base and it wasn’t an issue.
      Beltran would have to agree to spend a substantial amount of time DHing while at home.
      Fielder is a fit statistically, but his pricetag and weight concern me.
      They need a better closer than Frank Francisco.

  2. Paul, you had me sold until I got to your position moves. Beltran just isn’t the guy and they can keep that OF spot open for auditions for another year or two until they have Gose ready. The Jays are locked in at third with Lawrie, Right with Bautista and Encarnacion is taylor made to play limited time at the corners (both IF/OF) and be a career DH. Whatever it took for Votto would be worth it (and we do have it to give), and Lind would/could start in LF/at 1B for a lot of teams (especially in the NL sharing time). Lind probably wouldn’t be part of a Cinci deal because they have depth at 1B in their system and could be dangled for a useful arm along with farmhands. What about a Brandon Phillips at 2nd or a guy like Juan Pierre on the cheap to lead off and play LF? Anthony Gose needs a year or two of seasoning and could step right into Pierre’s leadoff spot when ready. Farrell likes to run and those guys can run.

    Arroyo is a solid mid to back of the rotation starter that can save a few bullpen arms, and Liriano could be lights out on any given night…maybe a whole season? Right now it doesn’t look like Buehrle or Oswalt are interested playing up in TO…Capuano, Bedard and Pineiro are interesting candidates for the Jays rotation as well.

    Maybe guys like Rich Harden or Dontrelle Willis need to be convinced that they are closers? Anthopolous is already proven to have convinced a lot of people that he is for real…

    1. You don’t want Capuano or Bedard—you want an innings-gobbler; I like Piniero, but the Angels altered his mechanics from what Dave Duncan created and he reverted back to what he was pre-Duncan; and he was a “John Farrell Project” that failed with the Red Sox which led to him ending up with the Cardinals in the first place.
      I’ve long been an advocate that Harden be a closer; you can’t trust Willis to throw strikes and that’s the last thing you want in a short-reliever.
      I’m not a fan of “whatever it takes” deals; you don’t want to gut the system for Votto when offense is probably the last thing on the Blue Jays list of needs. More important than getting an impact bat is altering the batting order so there are enough baserunners in front of Bautista and adequate protection behind him—that falls on the manager.

  3. I like the pitcher’s strategy, Arroyo is a great pitcher and would be a great advisor for the youngsters. Same with Nathan.

    As said before, position changes are doubtful, so trade possibilities are reduced. However, I’d try to get Holliday. He’d fit in the clubhouse and e would not have the pressure put on him by the A’s. I don’t think the Jays would pay Beltran, but they’d gladly welcome Holliday.

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